Sunday, March 01, 2015

The Top of the Native North America Land Survey Line -- the Y-Axis -- from Herschel and Stranraer, Saskatchewan SK Canada to Ancient Sites in Oaxaca Mexico

Via Google Earth and Google Maps, we now add a Y-axis to our ancient Native North America land survey map by astronomy, which will give us a very useful "broadly viewed" line that we subsequently will look at in terms of ancient petroglyphic and rock art sites not only on or near that line but also in terms of horizontal lines and triangulations relating to both the X-axis and the Y-axis.

If the ancients actually surveyed land by astronomy, true straight lines as such may not have been used, but rather only a system of relative locations of one astronomical "marker" to the other, with such locations being connected on the ground by ancient trails, and necessarily following courses dictated especially by rivers and other passage options as enabled by the topography. Such lines then are pretty "broad" as marking general areas. Still, we used fixed lines here to make it easier to find locations on maps and to visualize the system.

The initial top of our land survey Y-axis by astronomy --  runs from a group of stones near Herschel and Stranraer, Canada, known as the Herschel Petroglyphs, located by our pin placement at 51°37'39.94"N, 108°25'15.32"W viz. 51.6277611, -108.4209222.

The Herschel Petroglyphs and related sites in southern Saskatchewan -- as we shall prove through numerous postings relating to several ancient sites -- mark the stars of Scorpio and date to ca. 3000 B.C. We obtain that date via several separate stones and it is a date that is generally in line with mainstream archaeological dating of the regional First Nations cultures, although the influx of Haplogroup X carriers at some earlier time is possible if one wants to discuss the origins of the applicable technology, which is not our issue here, however.

The location we use is shown in the clip below from Google Earth (our label), from which the form of the stars of Scorpio is clearly and easily visible:

If on the date of this posting (March 1, 2015) you enter "Herschel Petroglyphs" in Google Earth Pro, you are given a pin at a location virtually due North of Herschel which is false (unless the stones have been moved to protect against vandalism or something), since the correct location is SW, nearly West, of Herschel (Hershcel is in the upper right hand corner in the image below), just above a ridge that looks a lot like the form of Scorpio, as follows (we have added the label and the yellow markings to the Google Earth image):

Monolith #1 is found photographed at Panoramio at 51° 37' 37.42" N  108° 24' 29.18" W by Igor Kravtchenko, MBA, Toronto,, while his photo of a sign titled "Photo of Sign on the road where Ancient Petroglyphs located" is found at, showing the sign location at 51°37'15.53"N, 108°25'35.70"W. Those are the correct locations. We have no idea how to correct the erroneous location at Google Earth Pro as no option is provided by Google to correct such false placements or even notify Google of such.

The impressive Monolith #1 of three of the Herschel Petroglyphs (the previously cited alleged "pendant stone" (by type) to the Judaculla Rock), is shown in a small illustration above left in the image above, and it was Monolith #1 that gave us the idea that it represented the spatial manner in which the land survey by astronomy was designed, thus accounting for the otherwise puzzling middle line and the unusual horizontal lines. The middle line is the line of the Equinoxes and the horizontal lines mark sky levels as in ancient zigurats, all of which could be well used for hermetic land survey, i.e. "as above, so below".

The stars of Canis Major, as we show in a subsequent posting, are marked on the left side viz. back of Monolith #1, so that the stars of Orion mark the left front corner. In ca. 3000 B.C. the colure (line) of the Equinoxes ran from the head of the stars of Scorpio across the sky to the other side at Orion and Taurus, as we have already seen in our previous decipherment of the cave painting of Burgos Municipality, Taumalipas, Mexico.

If, as we allege, the ancient land survey used the stars for orientation, then the bottom point of that survey would have to mark the stars of Orion and/or Taurus, or, even further down below them, the stars in star groups we today call Lepus and Columba, and that is exactly what we have found to be true.

We look at the bottom of the Y-Axis in the next posting.

We might add here for the "top" part of the Y-Axis, that we will first look at the rock art sites of southern Saskatchewan as a whole, which mark principally the stars of Scorpio and are oriented to the Autumn Equinox ca. 3000 B.C., a date generally corresponding to archaeological dating.

There are some spectacular features, including at one of those sites the thunderbird of the Thunderbird Challenge, which thus far, apparently no one has been able to locate. It is published, and not by us!

Also of interest in the once Northwest Territories are the megalithic rock carvings (as large shapes) fronting the Charlie Lake Cave, located at Peace River, British Columbia (see the photo by bpoint at Panoramio). Those megalithic sculptures, taken from the right when one faces the cave entrance, mark the stars of what we today view as Triangulum Australe, Circinus, Lupus and Centaurus. Those identifications are quite provisional, however, since we have not enough photograph information of cupmarks on the stones etc.
See 56° 17' 26.28" N  120° 56' 52.30" W

The Charlie Lake Cave has been in the news lately. First of all, it has been purchased recently by First Nations members and renamed Tse'K'Wa. Secondly, Tse'K'Wa has been at the center of recent news involving a dam project that will cover much ancient First Nations ground with water (but not the cave). See  Lamoka Ledger in Northernmost Passenger Pigeon Fossils Found Near Site of Controversial Dam Project and Justine Hunter, The Globe and Mail, Site C floods will wash away 12,000 years of human history.

The photo by Barbara Winter at that The Globe and Mail article is captioned "Archeologist Jonathan Driver, at the Tse’K’wa cave he helped discover, says a concerted effort is needed to save Peace River valley’s history."

For more on the Charlie Lake Cave Tse'K'Wa see Jonathan (Jon) Driver at Simon Fraser University.

We also ultimately want to take a look at the Quarry of the Ancestors to the north of southern Saskatchewan, about 50 km north of Fort McMurray, Alberta, Canada, which appears to have been peopled at the time of the receding ice age glaciers, because an interesting related question is whether the Native North America astronomers and land surveyors came from the South or the North, or even from the Old World by boat via extensive and for the ancients navigable waterways such as the St. Lawrence Seaway and the Great Lakes.

THIS POSTING IS Posting Number 19 of
The Great Mound, Petroglyph and Painted Rock Art Journey of Native America

The Top of the Native North America Land Survey Line -- the Y-Axis -- from Herschel and Stranraer, Saskatchewan SK Canada to Ancient Sites in Oaxaca Mexico

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